🎙️ New Podcast Drop: Lenny x ProductMind
This week, we joined Lenny’s Podcast for a wide-ranging conversation about building products, scaling teams, and leading with clarity.
Together, we bring over 50 years of product wisdom from roles at Atlassian, Calendly, Twitter, Procore, WP Engine, and more, and we are sharing some of the most important things we’ve learned along the way.
In this episode, we cover:
The “shipyard” framework: why the best AI teams embrace controlled chaos
Why Oji writes more code now than in the past 10 years, despite 25+ years in product leadership
The three skills that matter most for PMs in 2025: curiosity, humility, and agency
How to identify “sharp problems” and why they matter
AI at the core vs. AI at the edge, and why companies building new AI-centric codebases will outpace those just “sprinkling AI” on old products
The counterintuitive truth: engineers are moving so fast with AI that PMs are now the bottleneck
Their single biggest product lesson from 50 combined years of experience
This is a conversation about more than mechanics. It is about the bridge between execution and surviving scale.
We’ll share the link when the episode drops tomorrow, we can't wait to hear what resonates most for you.
-Ezinne, Oji & Ted